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01/15/24 12:06 PM #2162    

 

Dale Madson

Where were you in the winter of 66. A missive I wrote about my misspent youth.

I was 19 teen maybe 20, I would need the ships log to be sure, The Andy ( USCGC Androscoggen, The Gallip’n Ghost of The Florida Coast or The Creeping Crud of the Florida Mud, depending on how long we had been underway and what we were tasked to accomplish). The Andy was ordered to Baltimore, MD for yard time in the dead of the winter of 66 (see ships log) until the early spring, of that year, from our home port of Miami, Beach. 

 

The prevailing scuttlebutt was we had plenty of warm weather to accomplish maintenance so subsequently the northern cutters were given spring and summer yard times well we froze. The bottom line is we got to enjoy the snow and sleet and work outdoors or inside a freezing ass cold chunk of metal ship with no semblance of heat, instead of pulling liberty on the beach. O, and the pay was about .15 cents an hour and all the paint fumes you could breath. The other side of this is, I saw the cherry blossoms around the monuments and in the reflection pool and dozens of other lovely things.

 

Long story……I was in Georgetown Washington, DC in full Dress Blues walking the cobblestones with a young lady from Ohio whom was going to George Washington University and we were looking for a bar that figured if you were old enough to die for your country you were old enough to drink in your country and by inference so was his date, as it were. At last we found such an establishment (which was known to the students at both Georgetown U and GWU) that also had food and some music and all this just as the snow started fall. 

 

So I took my hat and coat and gloves off and gave them to the coat check girl and my date and I had a seat at the bar…..after dinner and some music and a beer or three the band took a break and it was time to go, for my date’s dorm had a Cinderella curfew.

 

So we claimed the rest of my uniform and buttoned up and as we headed for the door just as the band put a Simon an Garfunkel’s song, The Sounds of Silence, on the turn table. I was listening to and repeating the lyrics when I quite literally stepped out into the song. For I was in a cobblestone street scape that had some Neon, and I had just tuned up my collar to the cold and damp as that part of the song came on and the door closed. I stood for a minuet in the freshly fallen and still falling snow with the lyrics echoing in my brain and became utterly lost in the moment. 

 

In restless dreams I walked alone

Narrow streets of cobblestone

'Neath the halo of a street lamp

I turned my collar to the cold and damp

When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of

A neon light that split the night

And touched the sound of silence

 

Days gone by,

 

Dale C.


01/15/24 03:07 PM #2163    

 

William Wanlund

Nice remembrance, Dale -- thanks for writing it.


01/15/24 07:45 PM #2164    

 

Susan Spiegel (Pastin)

The Washington Post had a wonderful article Sunday, Jan. 14.  Michelle Norris in 2010 launched the "Postcard Project" asking people to write their thoughts on race in 6 words and mail it in.  Thousands did!  She later asked people to tell her more, and they did.  Here is what she found (like should open as I copied it hopefully as a gift):  https://wapo.st/3HjuHeM

Inspired me to put the flag out!  Hope the link works!


01/16/24 09:55 AM #2165    

 

Renee Sherer (Schleicher)

Susan, outstanding and thought-provoking article, irrespective of your race or life experience.  Here's the link: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/interactive/2024/race-identity-michele-norris-hidden-conversations-race-card-project/?


01/16/24 11:42 AM #2166    

 

William Wanlund

I agree, good find, Susan. I've long admired Michele Norris as a journalist, and am not surprised to learn of her involvement with an important enterprise like this.


01/16/24 01:48 PM #2167    

 

Lincoln Krochmal

Dale,

Thanks for sharing such a grand memory.

best,

Lincoln


01/19/24 03:33 PM #2168    

 

Renee Sherer (Schleicher)

According to the Washington Post Book Club Newsletter, The Brennan Center for Justice has  announced the creation of the Historians Council on the Constitution, with 18 esteemed menbers including our classmate, Jack Rakove.  "The purpose of this new organization is to help inform our debates about the law and the Constitution with rigorous and accurate historical research, instead of the hodgepodge of mythology and ideology that gets peddled as a viable vision of America's past."

Go, Jack!


01/20/24 12:25 PM #2169    

 

Patrick Furlong

Here's a link to the Brennan Center's press release regarding the formation of the Historians Council on the Constitution:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/brennan-center-introduces-historians-council-constitution

 


01/21/24 12:41 PM #2170    

Bruce Boyer

I caiught Jack on Lawrence O'Donnell and once again enjoyed the hell outy of seeing him but let me add one note.

Originalism has at its heart an unspoken notion that language is somehow so fixed that we can somehow infer and then apply the original texts of the Founding Fathers to the present day. Jack covered all that in Original Meanings quite well. 

The justices are lawyers and I am not, so I won;t try to unravel their legal logic. But I, like Jack, am an nhistorian and law is merely a segment of society. I wrote my dissertation on eighteenth-century England, so I know a lot about what people thought back then, so here goes:

--The Founders were Creationists, as Mike Pence once said, but they had no choice because they had no idea how old the earth was, so it was easy to believe that the Genesis description of creation was somehow accurate. They knew nothing about rthe forces that create earthquakes, for example, because it was not until geology as we know it was created in the mid-nineteenth century when the first dinosaus were uncovered in the 1840's. Jefferson, Madison, et al. would have benn gobsmacked when learning that the planet is three billion years old and especially by the seeing the bones of Tyrannasaurus Rex. 

-- Along the same lines, the Fathers had no idea about the diversity of life on Earth. When Linnaeus invented modern taxonomy in the mid-eighteenth century -- the system we still use -- he thought there were maybe 8000 species of plants and 8000 species of animals in the world. Since his time, the system has been modified to take in the fact that there are roiughly 240,00 species of vascular plants -- we'll not even talk about the millions of species of bacteria, fungi, virusues, etc. -- and some 980,000 species of just beetles.

--You'll are surely remember learning that medical tratemnet in 1789 usually consisted of bleeding patients to remove the "bad" blood, a method that probably killed as many patients as it might have cured.  Even Edward Jenner, who created the smallpox vaccine in the late eighteenth century had no idea about the mechanism that made it work. Humans did not know what caused infectious disease until Pasteur did his work in the mid-ninteenth-entury and we learned about the invisible orgnaisms at the heart of smallpox, tuberculosis, et. all.  

--The Founders also had little or no idea about ecosystems and the interdependence of life forms. That idea only came about 1848 when Darwin published ther Origin of Species and even then his ideas were so radical that they were outright rejected in many quarters, as they still are today even though biological science has time and again verified his ideas.

--The Founders also had no idea of what we now call psychology. They figured that human nature was ordained at birth -- indeed, the very concept of "childhood" did not exist for another century -- and that there were simply good people and bad people, the latter being a scourge that needed to be controlled. As a result, In eighteenth-century England, there were well over a hundred capital crimes, so public hangings were a regular occurence.

--My point is that the ideas of Darwin, Marx, Freud and Einstein -- none of which exited when the Constitution was written -- have become solid, recognizeds parts of human knwoledge. You may dislike what Dawrin or Marx wrote, but the fact that you choose to ignore them only affirms theyr power. We cannot unrung the bell of human knowledge, and so much has changed since 1789 that tyring to discern the Founding Fathers' "intentions" is, to my mind, a fool's errand. 

Jack may disagree but that, too, is nature of intellectual life.

Bruce

 


01/21/24 05:26 PM #2171    

 

Robert Lindner

Dale's story of 1966 became

The muse for a poem for that year.

It was when I met my wife in Aspen

In the summer. She was at the School of Music.

We bonded for may reasons and were married in LA in 1967.

So here is to lucky 1966.

 

Lucky Nineteen Sixty Six

 

1966 was

A traveling year. I traveled because

I was young and searching.

And that year, luck would bring

Me to the first meeting

With my future wife and with my in-laws.

 

I met my wife, when I

Was Rocky Mountain High in Aspen’s sky.

Then I’d visit her in

L.A., where I would win

Her. And we would begin

The connection that marked the rest of my

 

Life. There were many more

1966 events. Some before

Aspen, when I was at

Michigan, in a flat.

A quad, imagine that.

In Ann Arbor, Michigan, where the four

 

Of us were all trying

To find our futures, but mine was waiting

In Aspen, where my belle

Was in the Bells. I fell

In love. It was a spell

Of mountains and of music that would bring

 

Me the inspiration

For the poetry of my creation,

The poetry of my

Life, and of the love I

Can always find there by

Her side. That, most fortunate vacation

 

Became my destiny

In 1966. I wrote many

Pages of poetry

To her that year, so she

Would know my love would be

A truth arising from the soul of me.

 

I was just hoping for

Some love in my life and I got much more  

When 66 turned to

The next year and “I do”

Was title to a new

Poem. An epic poem from my core

 

That continues to sing

Songs of love, like “you are my everything.”

A Motown song that by

Chance came and tells me why

67 was my

Lucky year. It’s the year I put the ring

 

On the 66 star

I found in Aspen, then. And now we are

Still together and I

Am remembering why

66 became my

Luckiest year. The luckiest by far.


01/21/24 09:58 PM #2172    

 

Susan Spiegel (Pastin)

 

Good points, Bruce!  While, human nature doesn't seem

to change much, our perspective and thoughts on it have.

 


01/21/24 09:59 PM #2173    

 

Susan Spiegel (Pastin)

Robert, glad you have a happy life

with the belle you met in Colorado in 1966!


01/21/24 10:33 PM #2174    

 

Jack Rakove

This is a response to Bruce and to anyone else who might be interested in this exchange.

At the grand level, of course I agree with Bruce's big proposition. Vast areas of knowledge readily available to us today, boith generationally but also in terms of direct access, would be wholly strange and exotic and probably unimaginable to even the best informed (enlightened) minds of the 18th century, which would include some of my amigos, like Franklin, Jefferson, and Madison, all of whom were very cosmopolitan and sophisticated readers.

On the other hand, on particular points I would push back on some of Bruce's claims. John Locke, who I also spend a lot of time with intellectually, can be seen as a founder of modern psychology, not in the social science sense of the term, perhaps, but as someone who was acutely interested in the development of the human mind, and therefore in processes of parenthood, the nature of childhood, and how and when children become capable of independent reasoning. His ideas may not be ours (but I am something of a Lockean when it comes to ideas of religious freedom, for example), but his interests precede and help to inform ours.

But my bigger objections has to do with originalism per se. The problem with Bruce's position is that it ignores the extent to which the Constitution is a written text and the limited ways in which we debate its interpretation. Should we be more concerned language, or the history of how dfifferent clauses made their way into the text, or the authority of precedent, etc. These are bounded questions, and all the other changes that Bruce identifies, important as they are, are not really germane to this problem.


01/22/24 04:09 PM #2175    

 

Dale Madson

Robert,

Thank you for your kind reference, and your 66 was a very good year. I especially like that you write from the heart.

God Bless,

 

 


01/23/24 12:40 PM #2176    

 

Fred Brostoff

Don McLean to Roberta Flack

Although this is a bit after our days at ETHS, I thought you might enjoy the following information about the origin of the 1973 hit “Killing Me Softly”.

A few days ago, I went to a concert in Scottsdale, AZ called “Neil Berg’s 50 Years of Rock and Roll”.  Neil Berg plays the piano and narrates the program, while his orchestra plays and his 5 singers do the vocals for rock songs.  Berg starts with Gospel music in the 1930s and shows how that morphed into rock music, taking the audience thru the 50s, 60s and 70s with famous songs from those years.

Neil Berg concert:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMld6O0U7Ic

I’ve seen this concert a few times before and always learn something new from Neil Berg.  This year, I learned an interesting tidbit about the creation of the Roberta Flack song from the 70s, “Killing Me Softly”…as follows:

In November, 1971, singer/writer Lori Lieberman saw Don McLean perform at the Troubadour (club in Los Angeles).  Of course, Don McLean is most famous for “American Pie”, but Lori was very moved by McLean’s song “Empty Chairs”…so moved that Lori collaborated with other song writers to create the song “Killing Me Softly”.  Lori’s rendition of the song didn’t sell well, but, a few years later, Roberta Flack recorded the song and it was a huge hit.

“Empty Chairs” by Don McLean:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6tGft50rJk


01/25/24 12:29 AM #2177    

 

Susan Spiegel (Pastin)

I remember Don McLean, and I remember the song once I heard it. Very moving, very sad.


01/28/24 06:54 PM #2178    

 

Susan Spiegel (Pastin)

The Daily Kos had an excellent article Saturday, Jan. 27, about an upcoming US Supreme Court decision that I believe could gut the ability of federal agencies to protect us from industrial pollution, regulation of the purity and effacacy of our medications, laws prohibiting arbitrary discrimination (such as against blacks and other minorities), preventable dangers on the job, safer and more fuel-efficient cars, etc. etc.

It's written by someone who got a PhD. in geophysics before he went back to law school and became a lawyer.  He brings the perspective of someone who actually studied science.  Here's the link.  Naturally, it would overturn a precedent (the Chevron precedent) from the 10980s.  Hope the link works!

https://notify.dailykos.com/ss/c/atcYNHk4Eh2YdGnwBh-YDCxDIu4OO3SBv2TLoLPFt2eOvGwgtO_qjKmPuWoJmN6RcvNpqrcAOMUrnrf5bIHmol0v_stLUPR4Q-4CaQKUc5oU-0dDyna85fZZXlqLTKYNyTIUftwdvoaGXZgwiUO3DhnrJ69D0IzUikkwsFefrgiAMl6hCi1O5diRCF4ieRlS7_09KghilDgEg78pTPc6wQ/43d/lDJCH5BfTu6cLgd-F759Qg/h7/r0yR-DI6n7T-jQzIMHBst-svQ8OkTxaN62kbqZx8E38
 


01/29/24 10:39 PM #2179    

 

William Wanlund

Here's an article from yesterday's [1/28] Washington Post that discusses the Historians Council [and includes a mention of Jack]: https://s2.washingtonpost.com/camp-rw/?trackId=596c12b39bbc0f20865154fb&s=65aa8e3ba7bbec7d94a3d5fa&linknum=2&linktot=77&linknum=2&linktot=77

I couldn't find the link on Google so I contacted the writer, who obligingly sent it to me - it originated in the Post's Book Club newsletter.


02/01/24 09:48 AM #2180    

 

Fred Brostoff

In anticipation of 2024 Groundhog Day, you might enjoy seeing this Jeep / Bill Murray commercial from the 2020 Super Bowl.

https://youtu.be/P3qH4TKLP0c

 


02/02/24 11:35 AM #2181    

 

Dale Madson

Fred Brostoff,

The ground hog video was ......Delightfully insane!

Dale C. 


02/02/24 09:12 PM #2182    

 

Susan Spiegel (Pastin)

Congratulations, Jack, on being one of 18 members appointed to the historian's council.


02/10/24 06:02 PM #2183    

 

Fred Brostoff

Although this video is from our pre-ETHS years, I know that you'll connect to most of it.

Fabulous 50's

You might think you've seen this before, at least for the first couple of minutes. But then...wow, for the next eight minutes we're treated to a whole new compilation, done by a genius. In these insane times, this is so fabulous.....turn up the volume, put up your feet, and enjoy. 

CLICK HERE: TmsahlXby7c 


02/11/24 07:04 PM #2184    

 

William Wanlund

Thanks, Fred. Amazing on many levels. And not a cgi in sight.


02/11/24 07:50 PM #2185    

 

Marty Campbell

do you get these: The KIT; The Keep in Touch Newsletter of Evanston Township High School's Alumni Association (Fall 2023)?
marty campbell 
From:marUNDERSCOREtreeATyahooDOTcom
To:Lois Shelton,
Thu, Feb 8 at 11:06 PM
 
Dear Lois Shelton, 64, fellow fine tongue-in-cheek/deadpan writer-come-lately, just in time for thuh bucket list!  … …  This may be the first time in all these years I've read Thuh KIT through!  Little did I know the surprise I was heading for! … … YOU, your sharp Chicago wide-brim mobster hat & Jay Siegall '64, "I  read her book about her very difficult growing up, so different from anything I ever imagined a classmate at Evanston was experiencing." Yer 2 smilin faces! p. 10.  Bravo.  One appreciative witness of perhaps every thing you meant to say, huh?!?!?  Go, Girl! 
    I have rite here beside me, all 7 copies stacked of all I've intended to send my best friends the length of California, the last time I saw you on my mad rush (followin thuh lead car at 100 mph thuh length of I-5 to Sacramento).  Just before my 5 strokes in 2023 (none yet in 2024).
 
        ROCKY TRAIL but STEADY FEET; A MEMOIR, by Lois Shelton, ETHS '64
        Copyright € 2022, Lois Shelton, ISBN Paperback: 978-1-66784-5-487, BookBaby Publishing
 
    An I'm recuperated enuf to will to read thuh rest of yer book before yer dead, n find out what you say about ME.  (And I vow to NOT HURRY, for THAT reason.)
    I've all ways loved you, knowin how well you paint, but not knowin how well you write, till now.  You deserve ahl a dis. 
    Yer fellow survivor in solidarity, still racin to thuh finish, n never givin in.  no one will know what we mean.
    As I all ways say, I'll write more sooner; and I all ways mean it.  And I will, this time, too!  Love.  Marty Campbell, Proud Classmate, ETHS '64
    Offer still stands: if anybody wants one, lemme know.  Free.  An I pay royalties.
 
marty campbell .... i'd give muh phone#, but i don't want ever body callin at once! .... marunderscoretreeatyahoodotcom
132 Galaz Street
San Lorenzo NM 88041-7529

02/11/24 09:18 PM #2186    

 

Susan Spiegel (Pastin)

I recommend Lois' book too!

But there's an excitiing court decision out of Hawaii (Jean Simon, ETHS '65, sent it to me), about the Hawaiian Supreme Court rebuking the US Supreme Court, saying the highest court in the land got gun rights wrong:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/02/hawaii-supreme-court-guns-case-rebuke-scalia.html

 

 


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