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07/20/22 02:25 PM #1688    

 

Susan Spiegel (Pastin)

Looking forward to the user forums!


07/20/22 06:27 PM #1689    

 

William Wanlund

I'm a faithful reader of all these posts, but hardly ever initiate anything.  Following Art's very reasonable suggestion, however, I've opened a new topic in the User Forum's political and social commentary section.  It's (not very cleverly) titled, "A Republic, if you can keep it."  I've enjoyed this dialog so far and hope it will continue.  Lots of grist in this thread.


07/20/22 08:47 PM #1690    

 

Janet Bos (Lefevre)

Bill...thanks for doing this. I also read everything but don't post.Starting a thread in user forum is much better.

07/21/22 02:12 PM #1691    

 

Lincoln Krochmal

Art,

Your note oozes bureacracy! Having as many of our classmates participate in this website I believe is the goal .  I don't think we should do anything to discourage pareticipation and presernting one's opinions in an open dialogue. I don't mean to get into a pissing match with you but from one who is delighted to see members of our class still feel passionate about our politics and so motivated to offer their opinions,I amhappy to follow the discussion and enter into it as well from time to time. This is what makes our class at ETHS so outstanding!

Best,

Lincoln


07/21/22 02:39 PM #1692    

 

Lincoln Krochmal

To: Robert Linder,

Cant wait to read yourpoem about the weather. Just keep in mind our 45th pres said there is no such thing as a problem with climate change in our world!

Have fun with this one!


07/21/22 02:57 PM #1693    

 

Robert Lindner

Hey Linc

I have a lot of climate change poems

Hey Art

Are those too political


07/21/22 03:50 PM #1694    

 

Lincoln Krochmal

Hey Bob,

Thisis exactly what I was getting at. Your poenms need to be shared whether in the User's post or on the message forum. What we don't want is for anyone like you not to conr=tribute because they don't know where to post. I am looking forward to reading your weather poems wheever they are! You do really need to publish them. I did it with Draft2digital with Amazon and it was very easy even for someome so techbically naive as I am! Check it out when you have time.

Be well and be safe,


07/21/22 05:50 PM #1695    

 

Judith Sheahan (Lindgren)

My assumption is that our site's administrators established the user forum to prevent rancor if classmates didn't want to read classmates' political views, especially if opinions were different from their own. Curious, I checked out the user forum, which was established some time ago, and saw that it has been seldom used. In keeping with Lincoln's comments, it may be time to reconsider and make some adjustments to match the desires of our classmates. Please allow, maybe even encourage, commentary such as the recent posts that many of us have enjoyed reading in the past view days. Perhaps we are too lazy to search the other tabs or move our past posts but I'm certain that at age 75 we will be polite and respectful in our comments...no anonymity here! In the end, no matter where comments are posted, it's hard to imagine people being upset if they don't want to read comments, they can move on or change the topic of conversation to something of their liking.  

And, a big thank you to our site's volunteer administrators for your efforts! We all appreciate keeping this website open and active for our class. 


07/22/22 08:35 AM #1696    

Alison Hayford

Well, in deference to something, I don't quite know what, but I don't want to transgress, I won't post the comment I intended on the perspective that living in Canada for nearly 50 years has given me on some differences in political culture I thought existed between the US and Canada.  But I will say that my college alumnae magazine banned political comments after Trump was elected, so when I sent in a note announcing the birth of a grandson and said we were happy he shares a birthday with Barack Obama, there was great debate over whether this was too political to include in our class notes (they finally decided it was not too political to publish). . 


07/22/22 08:58 AM #1697    

 

Arthur Hallstrom

Thank you for your comments and feedback. The ETHS1964 webmaster's team volunteer goal for over a decade has been to encourage wide use of the  ETHS1964 Message Forum and promote the use of Users Groups as a place for focused discussions on a topic. William Wanlund has just created a Topic in a User Group "A Republic, if you can keep it."  A good place to continue discussions on this topic.  A question was asked - Is it ok to discuss or have a poem on Climate Change?  Sure. If the interest level is high, someone might even make it a user group.  


07/22/22 10:37 AM #1698    

 

Victor Brown

Currently I get emails when new messages have been added to the Message Forum.  Can our webmasters make changes so that we get notifications when new messages have been added to User Forums too?  I think that would help keep political comments off the Message Forum, but classmates who are interested in political posts and other User Forum subjects would be notified of new posts on the User Forum.  Just a thought.


07/22/22 12:00 PM #1699    

 

Patrick Furlong

I might have used slightly different language, but I'm inclined to agree with Lincoln regarding what should be permitted on the Message Forum. I sympathize with Art, who, on this issue at least, has a pretty thankless task. But, I agree with Judith. This isn't Twitter after all. We all know who we are, and I'm reasonably confident that we can keep any exchanges civil. Alison also makes a great point that, like pornography, "political" is in the eye of the beholder. When I popped over to her profile and saw her amusing comment about her married surname, I was sure that some would consider that "political" as well. So, where do we draw the line? If we're determined to retain such a line, however arbitrary it might, and must, be, I like Vic's suggestion that we all should be notified whenever anyone posts anything to a User Forum, too. That way, if you're interested in following a particular conversation you can do it, and if not, you can ignore it.


07/22/22 01:51 PM #1700    

 

Lincoln Krochmal

I agree with Judith,Pat, Victor and Art who does have a thankless job. I just don't want to miss the commentary from our classmates whether political or not which may be in the eye of the beholder. That's why the delete button is my favorite button on the keyboard. At our age I would believe we would all be civil in our comments and respectful of each other's positions whether we agree or disagree. That is why our country is so great, we do have freedom of speech and we can agree to disagree and settle our differences at the polls! Whether all states are equal is a different question, oops!I think I stepped into a political pile of do-doo here! So I will sign off wishing everyone to be safe, well and keep communicating on any forum we can!


07/22/22 02:51 PM #1701    

 

Susan Spiegel (Pastin)

Second Pat Furlong's comments!  I for one want to receive email notifications under the "A Republic - If You Can Keep It" users forum.  Now I just have to try to find it!
 


07/22/22 03:06 PM #1702    

 

Judith Sheahan (Lindgren)

I second (or third or fourth) the suggestion to send an email when the user forum has a new post. That would be a great compromise. Once again, thank you to our site administrators and to all classmates for your brilliant minds. It's great to know what our classmates are thinking about a variety of current issues. 

And, by the way, on a different topic, I prefer to be called "Judi" as "Judith" was used only by my mom when she was angry with me back in my ETHS days.

wink


07/22/22 03:07 PM #1703    

 

Lincoln Krochmal

So sorry Judi!


07/22/22 03:30 PM #1704    

 

Janet Bos (Lefevre)

When you go to User Forums, there is a place on each topic to turn on that you want to be notified of each new post. I have turned mine on and got my 1st email notification today.

07/22/22 03:51 PM #1705    

 

Lincoln Krochmal

To Preston Cook,

can you send me your email as I have something to send you. If any of our classmates know Preston's email, please dend it to me at Lkrochmal@verizon.net.

thank you!


07/22/22 04:29 PM #1706    

 

Robert Lindner

My Poem on the weather

Not political 

But it is partly inspired

 By Bob Dylan

But I'm younger than that now

 

 

Midsummer Clouds

 

“Yes, my guard stood hard to abstract threats

Too noble to neglect. Deceived me into thinking

I had something to protect.

Good and bad, I define these terms

Quite clear, no doubt, somehow.

Ah, but I was so much older then,

I’m younger than that now.”

My Back Pages by Bob Dylan

 

I wished the blues away,

As I walked on a cloudy Saturday.

But I knew that in the sky,

Since it was mid-July,

The sun was warming my

Thoughts and I also knew my wishes may

 

Come true, when tomorrow

Comes, as it always does, when I borrow

Time. As I walk along,

I shall sing loud and strong,

With a midsummer song,

Rising its way up to make the clouds go

 

Away. But not today

The midsummer clouds were going to stay.

I would have to wait till

Tomorrow, the sun will

Come up though it is still

There up above those clouds that are so grey.

 

But at least this day was

Cooler, compared to yesterday, because

Midsummer’s sun is hot

And some heat will be caught

By the clouds. Not a lot

But better than not, I think, as I pause

 

To catch the summer breeze,

I pause among the flowers and the trees,

To watch a butterfly

That does not care if I

Think the midsummer sky

Is grey. Because the butterfies and bees

 

Will spread the pollen of

The sun even though the sun is above

The mask of this cloudy

Grey day that bothers me.

But I’m where I must be

After some times that came by push and shove

 

Times borrowed for today

From yesterday, as life goes on its way

Into our memories

Sunny days, shady trees

Butterflies, honeybees

And clouds that will come and go, as the play

 

That we are actors in

Continues, as each new day may begin

On borrowed time, where we

Can sit and always be

Under that apple tree

Where death is trapped or where just by the skin

 

Of our teeth ,we survive

To the next scene and we are still alive

For midsummer night’s dreams

Till midsummer’s sun beams

And midsummer’s day steams

And we wish for clouds and a breeze to drive

 

The heat away. We are

What we are. Always wishing on a star

To chase the blues away.

But on a cloudy day

Or in a Wilder play

We must go with what’s been written so far

 

Into our cloudy play  

That’s written by the playwright of the day,

Osborn, Wilder, Shakespeare,

Someone, who’s words appear

When a new day is drear

Like once on a midsummer Saturday,

 

Once upon a time when

I was not young and became older then.

I’m younger than that now.

Like you, I wonder how?

But what time will allow

I’ll take. Even a cloudy day again.

 

Robert Lindner


07/23/22 01:21 PM #1707    

 

Arthur Hallstrom

Good suggestion on the user forum update email ifrs. Will ask Fred Brostoff if it can be done, how to do it and will advise in a message.


07/23/22 03:40 PM #1708    

 

Lincoln Krochmal

Art,

great flexibility! That would be a good outcome. Bob, you have talent oozing out of your fingertips! Great poem. I am impressed daily by what our classmates have to say andf suggest, what a talented bunch the class of '64 was and is! let's keep communicating.


07/23/22 04:47 PM #1709    

 

Patrick Furlong

Thanks for the tip, Janet--a bit cumbersome, but it works--and my apologies, Judi. That's what happens when you have a class of just under 900, and it's almost impossible to know everyone.

Take care, all!


07/23/22 07:23 PM #1710    

Bruce Boyer

I'll back off but I'll tell you where my instinct came from.

I went to my 50th Amherst College reunion four years ago and it was one of the most wonderful long weekends I've ever had. Even my wife had a great time. My classmates and I were all so enthralled to be with each other -- the advantage of a small college, of course, is that you know virtually everyone in your entire class -- that we've had a roaring email correspondence ever since.About 120 os uf are yakking back and forth about everything, including politics. It's been a great gift during the past two-year lockdown and I've broadened my thinking on a whole raft of issues..

Since some folks found my entry out of line, I'll nix the politics and history in the future.

Bruce

 

 

 


07/23/22 09:59 PM #1711    

 

Judith Sheahan (Lindgren)

 Really, no apologies needed. After all, my profile lists my legal name so how was anyone to know my preference. And Bruce, keep your posts coming--no one is complaining.

 

 

 


07/24/22 11:17 AM #1712    

 

Arthur Hallstrom

Update on how User Forums work. I did some investigation. All classmates should be able to access the ETHS1964 website User Forums via the menu bar on the left of their home page. Should be the fourth one down. User Forums (Groups) are intended for more focused, in-depth discussions then the general information Message Forun. To my knowledge, User Forums are unmonitored. Right now they are five of them. At the bottom of the list is an option to be notified if a new User Group is created. Check this to be notified of a new User Group. Here is an image of User forums as on 7/24/2022.


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