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09/04/17 12:02 PM #766    

 

Susan Chausow (Southam)

Renee----indeed!!!  Fred, that's a subject best left for discussion off-line!

 


09/04/17 05:14 PM #767    

 

Fred Brostoff

It looks like the ETHS dress code has now made the national news (Fox News):


09/04/17 08:14 PM #768    

 

Alice Rosengard

Funny: I have many strong recollections of ETHS, but none related to the dress code. Nevertheless, I am proud of the administration for the way they are handling this matter. It's kind of sad, though, to see that a ruling based on common sense should make become national news.

I do remember finding boys extremely distracting back then, but that distraction had nothing to do with the way they were dressed.

09/05/17 01:16 PM #769    

 

Jack Rakove

Speaking professorially (which I am licensed to do), I find the idea of allowing students to wear pajamas a bit strange. Perhaps this sounds arbitrary on my part, but it implies a lack of respect for the world of learning, or the life of the mind, or that there is no difference between a student's alert or somnolent state. If one assumes that dress means something, then presenting oneself in class in the same way that one goes to sleep appears disrespectful, perhaps of the teacher, but also of the very activity of learning. I don't think this has happened more than 2 or 3 times in my career, and I never said anything to the student about it, but if it happened again I think I would take them aside and point out my reservations. (But I once had a student who kept falling asleep, and on his way out one day, I said "Please let me know if I am ever doing anything that will keep you awake." That took him aback a bit.)

But the culot thing at ETHS, which I think I vaguely recall--that was crazy!


09/05/17 03:27 PM #770    

 

Nancy Schroeder

Thanks for all the discussions about clothing and that review in Teen Vogue was quite humorous. I do remember having to wear those awful swim suits, don't you just love the olden days.

 


09/05/17 03:57 PM #771    

 

Alice Rosengard

Jack, 

Ouch! It was my error to read right past the inclusion of pajamas in the list of acceptable clothing. The first time I saw someone depicted wearing pajamas outside her house during an interview with police, I was dumbfounded. Since then, I have often seen people wearing them on the streets of New York. It is a puzzling and utterly appalling practice, and if I were a teacher I would protest vehemently the wearing of sleepwear in class. Perhaps the students would like to see Herr Professor in his bathrobe and slippers.

At least the new dress code at ETHS is far more strict than the unwritten rules of fashion as sported by the populace parading around Manhattan. Here, as in the Cole Porter song, anything goes.


09/05/17 05:07 PM #772    

 

Rosanne Bass (Keynan)

Apparently I was, mercifully, oblivious to the existence of an explicit dress code -- but somehow I knew that wearing pants was never to be countenanced. I must have simply "absorbed" this restriction.

The culotte posts are hilarious; I'm getting so many chuckles out of them.

Over the weekend I had the opportunity to attend a screening of the restored 1948 movie of The Red Shoes at LACMA, the L.A. County Art Museum. It turned out that "Dapper Day" coincided with that date. I wish I had photos to post here: women, mostly young, in retro dresses, shoes and hats -- lots of full skirts with a wisp of petticoat showing, polka dots and florals galore. Despite the record-breaking heat, many men sported bow ties, hats and suspenders (some over walking shorts). Apparently Dapper Day is a thing -- an annual event at Disneyland, and spreading to other venues. Since very few people in Cali dress up for anything these days -- even the opera -- it was a treat to take in the carnival atmosphere.


09/05/17 05:10 PM #773    

 

Rosanne Bass (Keynan)

I just found this link online -- hope it works.  https://www.google.com/search?q=%22dapper+day%22+lacma+photos&tbm=isch&imgil=fBvFc9gYSyArUM%253A%253BkIUaQK1hhj-gmM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.redhotretro.com%25252F2016%25252F07%25252F26%25252Fdapper-day-lacma%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=fBvFc9gYSyArUM%253A%252CkIUaQK1hhj-gmM%252C_&usg=__HHpYpvgqjJ20pUthq_alyVAnmqg%3D&biw=838&bih=467&ved=0ahUKEwio-rzFh4_WAhWnsFQKHVgwCtsQyjcITQ&ei=byCvWeiGJqfh0gLY4KjYDQ#imgrc=fBvFc9gYSyArUM:


09/05/17 07:55 PM #774    

 

William Wanlund

I'm generally pretty relaxed about...well, just about everything, but I get Jack's point.  And then I started wondering about the role of parents in at least tacitly making clear what's acceptable in various social situations.  Understand, this is from a guy who didn't remember -- if he ever knew -- that ETHS had a dress code, and whose last fashion breakthrough was deciding not to wear white sox with black pants.


09/06/17 11:35 AM #775    

 

Vernon Neece (Neece)

Bill, your comment about wearing white sox with black pants cracked me up!


09/06/17 11:38 AM #776    

 

Anne Haswell (Marinello)

I was sent home once from high school, precisely for wearing culottes!  But more currently on the dress code issue:  I have been a school nurse at a school in somewhat rural Vermont the past 25 years...Sometimes the girls sports teams have a "spirit day" with a theme...and they all come to school in similar outfits, which have occassionally been pajamas.  Usually dowdy ones with robes and slippers, not negligees!  This is small stuff compared to other challenges such as a young man turning up in a tutu with falsies and high heels...He was sent home to change by the prinicipal.  Cleavage, ridiculously short skirts, piercings...High School, even middle school, is very different now.  

On another frony, I think back on our world before Title 9, when girls couldn't join many teams...our choice was Aquettes rather than swim team for instance.  (Nothing against aquettes, but not the same as swim team.)  We didn't even have girl's basketball!  

I think choices are much more complicated now for kids and parents.  


09/06/17 12:01 PM #777    

 

Gale Glassner (Twersky)

Anne, I participated in ETHS intramurals swim competition, swimming the butterfly and breast strokes, but it never dawned on me to question why we did not have a Women's Swim Team that competed with other schools. I was so indoctrinated with the norms of the day, that I could not even conceive that something egalitarian was missing. Though, if I remember correctly, I swam for a YMCA competitive program; so, it did not stop me from competing elsewhere. However, I am extremely happy that our perspectives and awareness levels have progressed in today's times. It's about time, in more ways than one.


09/06/17 12:09 PM #778    

 

Ruth Gross

Classmates--

I came across this most wonderful poem, written and read by the remarkable Billy Collins. It is lovely, funny, and bittersweet.  Enjoy! 

https://az.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/pe11.rla.genre.poetry.collforget/forgetfulness-by-billy-collins/#.WbAqwmfD-lx

 

And if you like it, click on "The Lanyard" on the same website.


09/06/17 12:32 PM #779    

 

Alice Rosengard

Thank you, Ruth. The first poem made me laugh. It is indeed wonderful. But The Lanyard made me laugh and cry at the same time.

09/06/17 01:13 PM #780    

 

Robert Lindner

What’s The Matter With Those Kits Today

“Kids, you can talk and talk till your face is blue.
Kids, but they still do just what they want to do.
Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way?
What's the matter with kids today?”

Bye-Bye Birdie lyrics by Lee Adams

 

Is our civilization in decay?

What’s wrong with the kids, today? Why do they

Have to wear holey clothes and pajama’s,

And won’t listen to poppas and mommas?

 

We listened to Mommas and Poppas though

We were California Dreamin’ when snow

Was falling, when we were young and well dressed,

Although some of us were feeling repressed

 

And we wanted to wear stuff, we now confess

That was against our high school code for dress.

And some went against the code, took a chance,

But holey clothes and pajama and sweat pants?

 

That’s a bit too far. Too much of a breech,

Disrespectful to those trying to teach

The things we learned when we were in high school.

When we were young, well dressed, but lookin’ cool.

 

At least, trying not to look like a fool,

Though we were repressed by that dress code rule.

But it’s Bye-Bye Birdie, we’ll sing and play

That song: What's the matter with kids today?”

 

Robert Lindner  09/06/17

 


09/06/17 04:53 PM #781    

 

Pauline Noznick (Gerstein)

Pajamas were pretty common attire--basically they were loose pants with a drawstring at the waist and a tee shirt on top.  Sometimes the pants were flannel, sometimes tee shirt material, sometimes gym short material.  Kids at Nichols wore them all the time.  I really don't see why people have a problem with them.  Once a year we had pajama day--then the kids wore what they considered pajamas, bathrobes and big fuzzy slippers and carried stuffed animals around.  That was pretty ridiculous, some of the teachers wore them as well that day. 

what I had a problem with were what I called armpit shirts that boys wore.(basketball uniform shirts) They were really gross. especially in warm weather.  If a girl wore one of those shirts, she would be sent to the gym to put on her gym shirt under it.  I also found the short shorts the girls wore probablematic.  We didn't have a dress code at Nichols-- and our principal threatened to put one in practice if the kids contined to wear inappropriate clothing. What he meant by dress code was a uniform, and no student wanted that. Nobody was sent home to change clothing--they were just told to wear their gym suit for the rest of the day.( tee shirt and shorts in school colors.) I also wondered about some of the teacher's dress choices--some wore shorts, tee shirts and sandals, just like the kids.  Some wore track suits, others wore jeans and tee shirts. We had a teacher who dressed like Jerry GArcia everyday, including the bandana--this was not a costume, that was his everyday wear.( when he died, he was buried in it).  I was too old for that stuff, I liked fashion too much anyway.  The kids were shocked when I wore jeans--which was about once a year. I saw they kids getting off the school  bus today, and they all were wearing uniforms, it is a public school! 


09/07/17 01:04 AM #782    

 

Wendy (Wynn) Garber

Jack,

I couldn't agree with you more. So, naturally I began to wonder...what would be the rationale for including pajamas in a high school dress code? Perhaps there was a fear that if any type of clothing were excluded, it would draw attention to it, and lead at some point to a schoolwide "pajama day" as a form of protest.


09/07/17 07:42 AM #783    

 

Renee Sherer (Schleicher)

"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for
authority, they show disrespect to their elders.... They no longer
rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents,
chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their
legs, and are tyrants over their teachers."
 -- Attributed to Socrates

09/07/17 11:57 AM #784    

 

Rosanne Bass (Keynan)

Hahaha -- I love this spirited discussion we're having. The most active interchange since reaction to the Cubs' last season!


09/11/17 02:09 PM #785    

 

Kathy Dalgety (Miehls)

 

Update:  Pat Wanzenberg posted on Facebook that she and Phil Wanzenberg are safe and fine, and while it was a harrowing experience, the damage to their house is comparatively minimal.

 

 


09/11/17 09:08 PM #786    

Carol Simon (Kohn)

To all of my classmates:

ince the 29th of June this year, I've now been seen  doing kidney dialysis treatments 3 times each week as I've been having kidney problems since sometime in 2012.; this was an offshoot of my type 2 diabetes that began in the late 1970's.

Otherwise, I'm doing great here in Skokie, Illinois and hope to be seen atttending our 55th reunion if it goes thru. Go Wildkits!

Carol (Ann Simon)Kohn


09/16/17 03:49 PM #787    

 

Robert Lindner

On my way to my nephew's wedding, the plane had to return to the gate because of a warning light, then it took an hour for the "paperwork"when it was determined to be a false signal. Then the guys who push the plane out went away and we waited for them. Then there was heavy traffic tryng to leave the airport. So I began a poem on waiting. And here it is.

Waiting

 

“Anticipation, Anticipation --Is making me late --Is keeping me waiting. “

Anticipation by Carly Simon

 

"We wait. We are bored. No, don't protest, we are bored to death, there's no denying it.

 Good. A diversion comes along and what do we do? We let it go to waste... In an instant, all

will vanish and we'll be alone once more, in the midst of nothingness!"

Waiting for Godot by Samuel Becket

 

“Let's forget about tomorrow. Let's forget about tomorrow.
Let's forget about tomorrow for tomorrow never comes”

Forget Domani by Riz Ortolani from The Yellow Rolls-Royce

 

The traffic is slow and I’m waiting for

The light to change and then I’ll wait some more

While the driver at the light texts a text. When the traffic moves, I’ll wait for - what’s next?

More waiting, of course, lines here and lines there,

We’re always waiting to wait more somewhere.

It’s still not moving, there’s no place to go. The time is still passing, but it’s so slow.

Time will keep moving, even though you don’t.

Earth will keep moving, even though you won’t

Be going anywhere, Earth will rotate, from day to night back to day while you wait.

Waiting for food at the restaurant and

Waiting in line while the line seems to stand

Still, not moving, moving at a snail’s pace. The rat race that’s not getting any place.

But I am waiting and I have to wait,

And time marches on, so I will be late.

Be late for what is measured by time’s clock. So I will have to run when I could walk.

I’m waiting, waiting and waiting to run

After the sunrise, I’m here on day one

But all days are the same and different. All days we live are day one, the present.

And we wait for tomorrow, that’s day two,

It won’t come, but what else is there to do?

But somewhere, they are waiting for the rain. They’re waiting for the coming hurricane.

Waiting for the wind, waiting for the flood

Of the surging ocean, and for the mud.

They wait for the storm, while I wait in line. Their tomorrow is different than mine.

But I am waiting and I have to wait,

And time marches on, so I will be late.

My plane was delayed, the traffic is slow. It’s still not moving, there’s no place to go.

While a world of others await their fate,

I am here waiting, knowing I’ll be late.

But I am not waiting for hurricanes.  I’m not waiting for winds or floods or rains.

I’m not waiting for someone called Godot,

And I’m not waiting for the tomorrow

That never comes. I’ll just try to get where I’m going,  today. And when I get there

I’ll say, “Better late than never.”  Because

My plane was delayed and the traffic was

Barely moving. And so I was Waiting, Waiting, but I was Anticipating

Being late, humming Anticipation.

Thinking, Will I reach my destination?

I’ll wait, the earth will rotate, I’ll be late. But I will get there, I anticipate.

So did I get there?

You’ll just have to wait.

Tell you tomorrow,

I’ll procrastinate.

 


09/17/17 01:42 PM #788    

 

Judith Campbell

Wondedful poem.  It's so appropriate for sitting a gate and a metaphor for our lives.  Can't WAIT for more...


09/19/17 03:24 PM #789    

 

Robert Lindner

How can I resist

The request from

Judy, Judy

Times Two

Because she posted

It Twice --- woo woo

So here's my most recent POME

 

The Wall

 

“Anything, anything would be better than this agony of mind,  

this creeping pain that gnaws and fumbles

and caresses one and never hurts quite enough.”

Jean-Paul Sartre, Huis-clos (No Exit)

 

In the maze of life there are sometimes walls,

To stop you at the end of dead end halls.

Like in any maze you must retreat and

Try a different path. Most understand

 

This rule of mazes, but some continue

To go down that hall, hoping something new

Will happen and an exit will appear. 

So they go nowhere, they are always here.

 

They keep banging their heads against that wall. 

They hope, they wish, they pray, the wall will fall

If they persevere, but the wall will win.

It is a wall and walls do not give in.

 

Their perseverance is just a madness.

A pain to creep, gnaw, fumble, and caress

Them so the walls don’t hurt quite enough to

Make the behavior stop. What can we do?

 

But watch, wonder, and hope there’ll be an end,

Hope they’ll turn around and no longer spend,

Their mad existence in that dead end hall.

We watch, as their heads bang against the wall.

 

But there’s “No Exit,” there. There never was.

But they still persist in their hopeless cause.

It’s more than stubbornness, it’s also fear.

Some new path may be worse than being here.

 

But they’re in a world where they don’t want be.

It’s like the Dantesque purgatory

In the play by Sartre, Huis-clos , a place,

Where Hell is the agony, they must face

 

The agony of minds that must decide

To move on to the future and not hide

In the safety of a chamber with walls. 

A place they can’t leave, because leaving calls

 

For a decision to move on, retreat

And find another path, but they will meet

Their fear of change there, standing in their way.

It is like a mad and existential play.

 

A dance macabre, a tango outside

Reality where dancers can’t decide

And can never settle into their pose.

They are in limbo and neither one knows

 

How to escape. They are in a prison,

In a chamber walled by indecision.

This place of madness, sadness holds them in

With the inertia of circular spin

 

It’s a vicious cycle of depression,

That’s followed with anger and aggression.

Sad, then mad, then sad again, without end.

And it seems that they’re determined to spend

 

The rest of time in this purgatory

They have made because neither one can see

The way out. The wall beckons to the banging head.

They cannot leave because they both are wed

 

To each other and to perseverance.

The gravity of walls can be immense.

I watch them banging their heads, they’re intense.

Fortunately their heads are very dense.

 

Or unfortunately, since the pain does

Not hurt enough to stop the maddening buzz

Of nothingness, of No Exit to their

Existence in place, that’s going nowhere,

 

Their prison of indecision, the wall

In the maze that’s in a dead end hall,

A place that they should leave, but they can’t go,

Can’t leave the madness Sartre called Huis-clos.


09/20/17 12:37 PM #790    

 

Kristine Masko (Fuller)

The only dress code violation I was stopped for was a kilt a bit too short.  Believe it or  not  I  had  to  kneel  down  to  make  sure  the  kilt  touched  the floor  (  and  it  did ).  Always  wore  tights  with  it after that.   No  more  knee socks.  


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